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« on: January 08, 2009, 10:23:05 AM »

In the article below, which I origionally posted as some aircraft recognition practice, something else interesting is that the RAF were not bombing Berlin on the night mentioned in the article.....weird.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4161917/Captured-WWII-pilots-model-Lancaster-Bomber-is-discovered.html



and belated Happy New Year too Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2009, 01:51:57 PM »

What happened to the geography question?

I couldn't see any issues with the article and was puzzled Smiley

Can't find any online resource at a glance which lists what raids were made.

Probably the author of the article getting the date wrong I would guess.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2009, 03:12:32 PM »

Now Boys,...Behave yourselves ...Check the triangular fin and you will find a HALIFAX !!
The squadron markings (I guess) are DY*F plus nose art,and are all probably traceable.I'd have thought it unlikely that a POW would give away squadron identities....name ,rank, and number only and all that  .So maybe all is not what it seems !!
Lets all keep guessing.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 04:29:22 PM »

Now Boys,...Behave yourselves ...Check the triangular fin and you will find a HALIFAX !!
The squadron markings (I guess) are DY*F plus nose art,and are all probably traceable.I'd have thought it unlikely that a POW would give away squadron identities....name ,rank, and number only and all that  .So maybe all is not what it seems !!
Lets all keep guessing.
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Well done that man! Have a baboon.

The mystery is that searching by pilot name and aircraft type I ought to be able find the raid on which it was lost, but (and I've just confirmed the dates with the guy holding the sale), there were no Halifax losses on offensive ops that night. Nothing from Martin Middlebrooks 99% definitive list of losses and nothing on the MOD hosted Bomber Command Sqdn war diaries.

The auctionnner realised whilst on the phone to me that the map in the log-book from he had deduced 'Berlin' was in fact the rail route taken by Taylor as a captive.

I too am now looking at the a/c codes in the hope that the pilot modelled his own airframe but the chap at the auctioneers has placed the model in storage and cannot tell me the airframe's serial number. Interestingly, he has read me some exceprts from the log-book (not the official one but a log-book provided to POWs as an unofficial diary) and the pilot stated they were shot down by a fighter over Hungary. If so, the Halifax was operating close to its max range and there are no ops vaguely near there for several days either side of the loss date (22nd Aug and not later as stated in the article above). Interstingly there was a Halifax operating for SOE about that time which was lost, and in that case the pilot might obscure details of where he was and when.

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OK, DY are the codes for 102 Sqdn who at the time of the loss were at Pocklington operating Halifax IIIs. However, what I can find on the web so far is not helpful as 102 were apparetly not taking part in ops during these dates or suffered no losses between the 20 and 28th August. The only losses recorded on the web (found so far) for Halifax DY-F are earlier airframes including LW337, shot over Berlin (yay!), by flak(oh), all killed (ah) and several months previously (bother) and another DY-F (s/n W7864) downed by night fighter on 9.11.42. Also, although it is not a complete list, one 102 Sqdn website does not record an E Taylor as a member....

Hey ho.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 05:10:17 PM »

Given the apparently shady circumstances SOE seems more likely doesn't it.

You must have too much time on your hands Matt Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 05:48:14 PM »

Given the apparently shady circumstances SOE seems more likely doesn't it.

You must have too much time on your hands Matt Smiley

I am fascinated by this stuff, latest discovery is that the model is probably not that of the a/c the pilot was shot down in  since 102 Sdqn were probably ( I stress probably) flying Halifax IIIs by Aug 1944 and the model is a Halifax II (triangular tail fins).

Off to so more work now James!
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 07:41:20 PM »

Hi Fellow mystery hunters,
The Halifax is not really my sphere of expertise (I'm still looking for that )  ,however my understanding is that by 1944 the MkIII was the main variant in service ,playing second fiddle to the Lancaster .(Apparently Bomber Harris despised it as the Merlin versions were easy prey for enemy fighters ) The MkIII was distinguished by the large rectangular tail and latterly the deletion of the front turret.
I have a copy of the Middlebrook Diaries (buried in the attic under a pile of Mrs.T's c*** ) but can't remember whether it contains all bomber losses regardless of command structure.
For those intrested I recommend the" Halifax At War"  DVD
Back to the delving ,Chaps
Tailwheel
PS. The baboon has arrived safely....Now please send the bannanas
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